Rick Remender, Alleged Statutory Rape, and Jet Black

moneystcroix:

If your discomfort with the whole Captain America #22 issue is simply the fact that sex had happened between two consenting adults in the presence of alcohol, this isn’t for you. You’re free and completely entitled to hate that and view it with great disdain but my attitude and problem with the fandom is not because of people finding issue with that overused plot device to get two people to finally be comfortable enough to do it but because of people making claims that Jet Black is 14 years old (when she’s not) and thus stating that despite her even saying she’s beyond those years to dare accuse Remender writing a statutory rape scene and faulting Sam Wilson as a rapist. If you had any of these thoughts, this is for you. Before you continue your crusade, please at least let me provide you with some facts.

Let me first introduce you to Jet Black as she was first introduced in the series (Captain America v.7 #1):

That girl right there with that mischievous look is not a baby as many have claimed. She is clearly in her prepubescent years enjoying the treatment her father, Arnim (corrected the spelling because I didn’t realize I put Armin) Zola, is providing the capitalist captain. 

Below is her brother as he was first introduced in the same exact page (Captain America v.7 #1 p.14 — cw: syringe/drill and torture):

Clearly the two siblings are not the same age, right? So why are there false rumors being spread around that Jet is 14? I honestly don’t know unless people believe Ian and Jet are the same person, which is silly, right? Apparently, not

Putting the rest beneath a cut because it gets lengthy because of timeline explanation thus is image heavy.

Here is Steve mentioning to Sharon (the first time he’d done so to a non-Dimension Z resident) that he’s survived years in this strange dimension (Captain America v.7 #9 p.4 — cw: blood):

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Wait what’s this panel got to do with anything? Well, back in issue #1, when Steve saw baby, good guy Steve couldn’t let the child fall into the hands of geneticist Arnim Zola… so he kidnapped him as can be seen in this three page sequence set just after page 14 from #1 above (pgs. 15-17 — cw: blood, torture, syringe/drill).

Zola (and thus his group) have come to the conclusion that Steve had murdered the boy, as seen below: 

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But in actuality Ian had been taken by Steve as found out at the end of the issue (page 21):

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Why am I spending so much time talking about Ian? Because Ian is crucial to build a timeline. He’s the one who’s the easiest to figure out age/time based on how he grows up (even if later on you’ll see that kids and teenagers are drawn almost the same way by the artist). 

Issue #2 begins with the following:

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So you’re going to assume that you’ll see a barely walking Ian, right? Wrong. The artist has a hard time distinguishing children from adults and you’ll see as Ian hits his teen years as this post goes on but until then, here’s Ian one year later (CA v.7 #2 p.3):

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You see how much older Ian is? That’s more because the artist can’t really draw kids in various stages. That’s implied to being a toddler Ian even if it’s been merely a year he’s still very adolescent.

Anyways, Steve had been keeping track of time regardless. He had to, to give his son birthdays and to keep track of the years he’s losing with Sharon and others.

The next issue (#3) begins with a creepy Zola flashback in which he pets his daughter’s face the same way he’d petted one of his first experiments back in 1926. Here’s Jet having aged beyond the original encounter in #1.

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Look at how she’s grown since we’ve first seen her. She’s still so cute.

Seeing how the remainder of the issue is not of importance to this post, let’s begin #4.

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Eleven years later, so it’s been twelve years since Steve had first been abducted by Zola and took Ian. Let’s take a look at how Ian looks now (CA v7 #4 p.3):

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Or look at this from page 5 (issue 4):

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Do you see how Ian is starting too look more like Jet from eleven years ago? Well, let’s take a look at her now (as in current issue p. 19):

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As you can see, the two are at completely different age ranges. As shown at the beginning of the post. The two siblings, although they share the traits of being genetically modified to being perfect by their father, Jet and Ian are from different decades (or at the opposite ends of their shared decade).

Here’s the cover of issue #5:

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Just visually compare the two siblings. Ian, who’s merely still a child at around twelve years old is designed to look like a kid because he still is a kid. While you have Jet who looks like an adult because she’s no longer a child and hasn’t been for quite some time.

Let’s move onto issue #6 where you see the siblings side by side again with a slightly better art this time (#6 p.7 & p.14):

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The age difference is evident and don’t forget so far in Dimension Z twelve years have passed. So how can you tell me that child above plus this young woman is merely 14 years old?

Issue #7 has nothing to do with timeline nor does it give us anything new to use either child as an indicator so I’m skipping that. While issue #8 brings you nothing but heartbreak due to father/son fight and the “death” of said son. So skipping that one as well.

Now let’s take a look back at what Steve told Sharon in issue #9 again:

And you’ve witnessed changes in the children and growth. Even Cap had changed during that decade plus time period. Below is Cap post Dimension Z after having been put through various testing to confirm the timeline of his questionable story (#11 p. 6 — cw: scar/wound):

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So it’s been confirmed thanks to carbon dating (which I honestly didn’t know could be done on non-organic materials but it’s comics and comics logic) tests that had been run due to the story/allegations Steve had made when he and Jet arrived to 616.

Yet here in issue #23 page 10, she mentions an age range for the first time by bringing up a past birthday and finally gives us an age range to work with:

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Yet fandom claims otherwise. That she’s merely 14 years old when we’ve just seen her grow up and so when she says that on her 23rd birthday she’d had cabernet sauvignon on her birthday, I would believe that.

This wasn’t a 2-second age jump from 14 years of age to about 24. No, she was growing as a person since the moment we caught that glimpse of her enjoyment from Steve’s torture/capture. Neither is she lying because time did work different in the dimension. Earlier on (I think issue #2) Steve mentioned that there were two suns, so it’s harder to calculate time more accurately when you’re merely going by sun placement.

For those interested in the alleged rape scene, continue.

The questionable and potentially problematic scene can be found here, where you can read what exactly happened and see it having happened and make judgement. But it’s clearly not statutory rape and however you wish to depict it is your choice entirely because I know that some find the idea of sex and alcohol bothersome. And hey, that’s ok! But, please don’t claim/call someone underage without even checking the facts. She’s told us and for once we have an age, Jet is at least 23 years old. This is fact, we’ve seen a voyage through her life and seen her grow up.

But, with the way her powers work (and the way her brother’s works) I’m pretty sure she wasn’t drunk or intoxicated. She’s got impeccable senses due to her omni senses and she unlike Sam didn’t wake up from a hangover, that much is fact. The rest is up to interpretation.

AMENDMENT: I thought that to give you a better perspective of how the artist only really has three distinguishable age groups, I thought I should provide you with an image of Ian as an adult (but Cap believes he’d died). From issue #10 page 23:

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Ian has remained in Dimension Z due to the fact that Cap has been lead to believe that Sharon’s shot killed him if not the firey liquid he’d fallen into. And as the perfect experiment (and having retrieved some of Cap’s blood for the Super Soldier Serum) thus it’s safe to assume he’s got healing abilities and why he’s not dead in this scene. Ian having remained in Dimension Z had allowed him to grow at the faster rate and why he’s finally at his sister’s age who’s slowed down to the rate of time in 616.

But as all the examples above have shown the artist has only three real age groups (infant, child/teen—which have been depicted as one, and adult) and so claiming that Jet is 14 strictly by a recap and not by context is a cheap move by fandom.

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Danilo, Administrator of Comics Forever take on this:

I got wind of this thing just now and I needed to reblog this just to point out that It bothers me the overly sensitive people that hangs around social networks waiting to get offended by every single fucking thing they see, read or simply don’t get. I stand with Rick Remender on this one and I rather see the people who started this controversy lose their fucking eyeballs than to see him fired from the book. Get a hold of yourself people. Sometime a comic is just a comic. Not your motivation for a fucking senseless agenda.

About Ben Affleck Being Cast As Batman…

Rants about this are gonna get old really fast, the intensity that some of us are showing to this movie is alienating the world already with less than 72 hours of this cast being known. Even death threats has been warranted and this is not cool guys. Most of us are seriously displeased with this move, but as a 34 year old man and having witnessed every modern incarnation of Batman in film since the Tim Burton era, I can still remember the news about the very vocal fan community in anger about a low profile actor like Michael Keaton being cast as Batman against a monster actor like Jack Nicholson (Alec Baldwin was everyone’s choice by the time). Or later on how everyone cringed at Heath Ledger as the Joker because the role was deemed untouchable by Nicholson fans and a very thought act to follow. A follower of mine even labeled the casting choice of Affleck  ”The X-Box One” (very funny by the way).

What I see here is history repeating itself but now we have the Internet to make us recollect how wrong we where at some point by reacting first hand over some stuff we didn’t like at first glance. I’m no fan of Ben Affleck. I label him as a fame whore, but the fact is that the guy has some acting chops and talent regarding writing and direction of films (hell he even has Oscars awards in both departments) Does he have my full support as the new Dark Knight? No, he doesn’t. Warner has to sell me this one very carefully, they usually have done so in the past with a single image and I tell you, If you have some knowledge of comic books and film in general you’ll realize immediately if an actor can make or break the part. Allow me to illustrate my point:

First Image of Brandon Routh as Superman, released on April 22 of 2005:

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At the time this guy looked unheroic, hell he even looked bored, but I gave him the benefit of the doubt (as the world did) but my first impressions were proven right: this movie was a massive failure and Brandon was a terrible Superman.

Another example of the same coin? this image was released on August 4 of 2011:

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Now we were in business here!. Although the movie was received with mixed reviews I though it was an exercise of how big a Superman story should be! (and I personally loved the hell out of it)

My point is: lets wait out guys, let’s not get mad over this and most important let’s not cringe at things over which we have no control. The fact is that no matter how much we voice our rants and personal frustrations this movie is getting made and the only way we can vote for his downfall is with our wallets. I have no recollection of an actor being recast for a significant role over fan outrage. Personally, Warner will get my money just once, but they better sell this move brilliantly. because I remember how the bitching and cursing at Heath Ledger ended just with this:

Released on May 20 of 2007:

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In the end we just have two ways out of this: best case scenario Affleck manages to shout all our mouths with a brilliant performance; or worst case: he fucking sucks, the movie under performs and he has to be recast, because that’s how it works (remember Clooney? Yeah I try not to either) and I’m personally not going to spend the next two years losing sleep over this. After all, it’s just a movie we are talking about.

The future:

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Ben Aflleck Cast As The New Batman For The Upcoming Batman/Superman Film

I just gonna let this one sink in for you guys, because I don’t have anything nice to say about this right now…

If I May Have a Moment Of Your Time:

So I’m gonna just say it like it is for those who pay attention in this space: The Hawkeye Initiative is the fucking dumbest idea ever, is the most pointless agenda I’ve ever seen and it proves nothing. Women in comics have never looked better or had so much presence and impact on major publishers. This “movement” (if you want to call it like that) is just a testament to how little tolerance have a very vocal minority to whatever doesn’t fit their standards of a perfect world. Guess what? A perfect world it’s the things of fantasy. Just like comic books.

Uncredited Artwork or How You Are Making Talent Anonymous.

It’s as natural as hitting the reblog icon here on Tumblr. People here assume that the cool picture they are putting up in their blog just magically appeared on the internet. It didn’t folks. Somebody just spent hours making that awesome illustration so you can make your blog look cool. So it’s incredibly disrespectful when you people reblog or upload somebody’s artwork just for kicks and forget about the person who did most of the heavy work in the first place.

I’ve had my fair share of cunts who wipe clean every picture I post of text. Read me now and read me well: you are being a cunt for doing this, you are being disrespectful. Not to me, I just upload content, but to the artist who worked hard and deserves a recognition. Not only for having the talent, but for making use of the proper tools to share his vision of a character you love with the world, you are making them anonymous and they don’t deserve that.

Sites like 9GAG and Reedit just don’t care about the content they generate, a prime example of this it’s the post below this one where artist Edwin Solorzano makes a fine rendition of classic Batman movie posters in animated style, but some of the guys I follow just see it and hit the reblog (or upload it again) without taking consideration of who did this work, this of course leads to artists being pissed off and plastering big watermarks on what it could have been a nice clean piece of art.

Please don’t be a part of the massive array of cunts making artists anonymous, I credit every piece of art I upload for a reason and clicking on the name of the artist in every post I make will ensure that they keep doing their best to grace your eyes. You will know who they are and more importantly you’ll see even more work by their hand!

If you reach this far reading this, thanks for your time!

Danilo.-

Administrator of Comics Forever and Saint Seiya History.

Spider-Man: New Avenger.

All right my friends please do me a big time favor: Let the world know that Spider-Man have almost 50 years being published by Marvel Comics and it wasn’t until 2005 that he was made a full time Avenger. He flew solo until that year. I’m sick and tired of telling people that he was not supposed to make it into “The Avengers” movie.


Metroid: Samus Aran // artwork by James Ghio (2012)
As I’ve stated before I HATE watermarks, Comics Forever doesn’t supports the use of them and I do not post watermarked art at all basically because I believe it’s just a way to fuck up a beautiful art piece. I understand the purpose of plastering such a terrible mark on great work, since we live in a world were cheating and stealing is the norm for some people. James Ghio rendition of Samus is just too good to pass up because of the dreaded watermark (still bothers me to no end though). I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did.

Metroid: Samus Aran // artwork by James Ghio (2012)

As I’ve stated before I HATE watermarks, Comics Forever doesn’t supports the use of them and I do not post watermarked art at all basically because I believe it’s just a way to fuck up a beautiful art piece. I understand the purpose of plastering such a terrible mark on great work, since we live in a world were cheating and stealing is the norm for some people. James Ghio rendition of Samus is just too good to pass up because of the dreaded watermark (still bothers me to no end though). I hope you guys enjoy it as much as I did.

Can We Stop Being Dicks to Non-Comic Fans?

combonight:

This came up a few times today. As someone who is usually a dick (to people who are dicks themselves), I really want to address why we, as comic fans, shouldn’t be such condescending assholes to people who like the movie adaptions of our favorite heroes but haven’t read the comics.

1. Everyone started somewhere. It’s impossible to come out of the womb with a copy of Essential Iron Man and every important Batman event in comic history. For a lot of people (observed from experience, so I’m sure everyone is different), cartoons served as the gateway for their love of these characters. Batman: TAS, Justice League Unlimited, Teen Titans, X-Men: TAS, etc etc etc. Being introduced to these shows introduced a lot of people to the expanded universe these heroes lived in. And good for them for picking up more reading. If they chose not to read comics, how does that hurt? My baby cousin (okay, 8, whatever) loved Batman: Brave and the Bold and I would never dream of scoffing at him because he doesn’t know some of the characters like I do. What a dick move, right?


2. Maybe we can take this chance to introduce them to the comic universe! Superheroes are more mainstream now, and that’s fantastic. Instead of treating the comic fanbase as some exclusive “READERS ONLY, NO MOVIE FANS ALLOWED!!1!!” club, we can actually take this opportunity to lightly suggest some comics to people. Your friend is really excited about the upcoming Spider-Man film? Suggest Spider-Man: Blue. Someone is a huge fan of the Nolan Batman films, you say? Let that person know you have a copy of The Dark Knight Returns if they’re interested. Don’t just shut them out because you don’t see them anywhere near you local shop, but don’t flip your shit if they aren’t interested in the reading.

3. Lol please, don’t tell me you’ve read all the stories that inspire films you love. If you have, then congratulations. That’s pretty awesome, actually. But there are so many pieces of literature that have been made into movies and shows that it’s kind of impossible that every viewer would have read them all. Same goes for comics. And you know what? Some of those movies are damn great.

You know somebody who wears Avengers shirts because they’ve watched the movies of the individual team members a million times over and they’re super hyped for the film? Good. Looks like you’ve found yourself a movie buddy. Maybe they don’t like reading or have no access to the comics and you do. Answer their questions if they have any. Tell them awesome little tidbits of information when the situation arises. But don’t you dare act holier-than-thou just because they don’t read the comics and you do. 

The comic fanbase still struggles and being an asshole to people who haven’t gotten the chance to try the reading material isn’t gonna help at all. We’re making ourselves out to be the stereotypical, narrow-minded fanboys that some people unfortunately imagine us to be. That’s not us. You know it’s not. So let’s stop being dicks, okay?

I reblog this because I want the hardcore comics fans in the 5000+ people who follows me to read this and learn a thing or two. My respect goes to you Combonight you make some very valid points in this amazing post.

Batman by Tim Burton. (A Rant)

I usually don’t break the fourth wall, since this is a comic related blog and all the interaction I do with my followers is kept private. I spent almost 4 days without login in because of work and when I come back I find some senseless discussion about what I assume must be kids talking trash about the Batman movies made by Tim Burton. I’ll be very blunt, you may want to dissagree, I won’t care even one little bit.

You owe the modern comic book movie trend to Batman by Tim Burton, yes you just read that.

While the trend for modern comic book movies was started with Superman (1978), it took a major motion picture studio another 11 years to try his luck again, by that time Batman wasn’t the bulletproof property that it is today, the movie was a development hell and it paid off in every single little way it could.

Batman (1989) and Batman Returns (1992) both had some of the most solid castings you could have in those days in a movie, hell it’s some of the most solid castings you could have TODAY in a movie!, thus making both movies a couple of very well aged masterpieces. Since both films were approached as artform based on a comic character, both movies feel like something straight out of the comic page, with less focus on realism unlike the work of Christopher Nolan which I also enjoy. I think it’s very unfair to even compare the works of both directors for the character, since they are almost generational in approach and very different in tone.

Last but not least let’s not forget about something here, the minute somebody stars talking shit about something because “it’s old and dated” you batter have a goddamn better reason than aesthetics to trash a incredible piece of cinema. Batman by Tim Burton is without a doubt one of the most accurate and faithful representations of the character in a medium outside of comics. One of the greatest comic book movies ever done. Period.

Starfire // artwork by Steven Purtill (2007)
So this week we learned that Starfire is very loose with her sexuality in the new DC launch of “Red Hood and The Outsiders” a book that is basically about a line-up of grown-ups Teen Titans. Controversy followed (as usual), this time however DC hadled the problem by stating the obvious on twitter: “We encourage people to pay attention to the ratings when picking out any books to read themselves or for their children.”
And you know what? they are damn right about it. I must be one of the very few who actually enjoyed the book, I mean it’s not the next Watchmen or anything like that, but it gives you some solid entertainment. In the end that’s all I want from my Comic Books.

Starfire // artwork by Steven Purtill (2007)

So this week we learned that Starfire is very loose with her sexuality in the new DC launch of “Red Hood and The Outsiders” a book that is basically about a line-up of grown-ups Teen Titans. Controversy followed (as usual), this time however DC hadled the problem by stating the obvious on twitter: We encourage people to pay attention to the ratings when picking out any books to read themselves or for their children.”

And you know what? they are damn right about it. I must be one of the very few who actually enjoyed the book, I mean it’s not the next Watchmen or anything like that, but it gives you some solid entertainment. In the end that’s all I want from my Comic Books.