So… It’s nice that Robert Downey Jr. is in Captain America 3. But It’s Time to Stop The Geekgasm all over the place. Civil War is NOT what is coming!

First of all, even if Marvel manages to pull at least 7 to 10 new heroes in all the films and TV shows of Phase 3 (chances of this are slim at best)  there will still not be enough characters in the MCU for the storyline to make any sense. Hell even if those crazy ass Spider-Man rumors are true there will still not be enough characters to make heads and tails of this story. Civil War’s cast is HUGE and composed of heroes and villains that doesn’t a prayer of making their debut in the MCU yet. But don’t take my word for it. Among all the crazy internet fanfare you can find the voice of reason in brothers Joe and Anthony Russo, the directors of Captain America The Winter Soldier and the upcoming Captain America 3 who spoke about the subject with Cinemablend:

"It’s complex. There are a lot of characters. Marvel doesn’t have ownership of some of the key players in that. […] I don’t run Marvel, so I can’t say that it won’t happen, but I would say that it is highly unlikely."

(Read the whole piece here)

I will also share with you a very nice analisis by the fold of IdigitalTimes explaining why Civil War it’s not coming any time soon:

Marvel’s Civil War will not be the premise to “Captain America 3,” sorry fans but it’s just not going to happen. Now, there is plenty of reasons as why this is, but the most obvious is that there are just too many characters involved in Marvel Comics’ groundbreaking storyline that pitted hero against hero.

Despite what any leaked Marvel Studios movie list may say, A Civil War film won’t be happening anytime soon. So let’s gather the facts and shoot down all the “Cap 3” will be a Civil War story speculation for good.

First off, the speculation pretty much stemmed from an interview Joe and Anthony Russo, the writers and co-directors of “The Winter Soldier” had with Crave Online when they were asked about what “Captain America 3” would be about.

The brothers told Crave Online the following about the plot and how Kevin Feige fits into the whole thing:

“If you’ve been talking to Kevin [Feige, President of Marvel Studios] the title has been in place probably for ten years in his brain. It’s all part of the road map that he’s laid out, and it’s all part of the bigger plan.”

Immediately the forums and blogs were scrambling to figure out what the story could be. And Civil War happened to be the one common thread between them. However, the Civil War storyline began in July of 2006. That’s only eight years from when “Cap 3” was announced, so the idea couldn’t possibly be in Feige’s mind for 10 years because the story wasn’t published yet.

Of course, “Cap 3” will release in 2016 almost 10 years exactly from when Civil War swept through the Marvel Universe. And the Russos do say ‘probably’ so it’s just an estimation and Marvel Comics had the seeds laid out for the Civil War storyline well in advance.

But with Feige not coming aboard the Marvel train till 2007 it’s a little hard to believe that he wanted to make a Civil War film just as the event was happening in the comics.

Besides, the Russos told Cinema Blend that a Civil War story in their film is pretty much not happening.

“It’s complex. There are a lot of characters. Marvel doesn’t have ownership of some of the key players in that. […] I don’t run Marvel, so I can’t say that it won’t happen, but I would say that it is highly unlikely.”

The one main ‘key player’ they speak of is “Spider-Man” (whose rights are owned by Sony) who famously revealed his identity to the world in cooperation with”Iron Man’s Pro-Registration side. Unless they make some kind of box office-breaking deal with Sony, Marvel Studios won’t have Spidey in their movies anytime soon.

So what will the subtitle to ‘Captain America 3’ be? It’s a little hard to say, Cap hasn’t really been involved in many iconic storylines through the years. And with the Russos saying that Cap 3 will change the MCU similar to the fall of S.H.I.E.L.D. in ‘The Winter Soldier’, it really narrows down the stories that you can adapt from.

Joe Russo said “there is a very, very big idea” at the center of “Cap 3” that doesn’t necessarily dictate who the main villain and featured cast members are (“all that stuff is open for interpretation”) but that “alters the universe as a whole in some way, that has interconnectedness that he’s grabbed on to.”

After ‘Avengers: Age of Ultron’ the MCU will have the Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver and Vision joining the good guys — that is if they die in this film, which is highly unlikely. (Source)

So chill the fuck out with this already Internet.

Captain America // artwork by Gene Ha (2002)

Gene Ha about this art:

My 2003 covers for Captain America issues #17#18 & #19 and my 2002 Captain America #50 cover.

The 2002 cover was one of two covers I did before the 9/11 attacks that weirdly presaged the attacks. I felt quite creeped out to see when the cover came out next year that I’d presented Cap marching off to fight in response to Pearl Harbor and jets and explosions over a skyscraper.

Captain America: One Man Army // artwork by Kharmazero (2014)
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Captain America: One Man Army // artwork by Kharmazero (2014)

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All New Avengers // artwork by Stuart Immonen, Yildiray Cinar, Russel Dauterman and Sara Pichelli (2014)

Well, Marvel’s big event of this year (Axis) hasn’t come out yet but we already know the outcome will be a brand new team of Avengers as Steve Rogers and the classic Thor will lose their mantles and will pass them on to new bearers. Sam Wilson the longtime hero “The Falcon” will don the red, white and blue costume while sporting the classic wings of his former namesake along the shield. A “familiar face” in the Thor lore will be worth it of the mantle of Thor as hinted by Jason Aaron. And Tony Stark will go the “Superior” route becoming more of a bastard while donning a new all-white suit or armor in a new location (He will move to San Francisco). The Avengers will also get an extreme makeover paring down the “army” feel of the roster to a more manageable team including (l to r, top to bottom): Medusa, The Scarlet Witch, Superior Iron Man, Dr. Strange, Ant-Man, The Winter Soldier, Angela, Thor, Captain America, Hellstrom and Deathlok.

Another shocking move by Marvel to keep readers hooked I guess. Since I’ve reading the publisher for years I’m accustomed to these "bold changes" that tend to last very little (specially when you got a big movie featuring the original characters coming up next year). And while I think this could make for a really good story a la Superior Spider-Man I will not hold my breath for it since It feels very rushed, a move done to avoid a bullet released by the recent Kirby State lawsuit heading to the supreme court. Also, am I the only one who thinks that  making one of your most popular characters wear an all-white garment and call himself “Superior” it’s a little politically incorrect? 

Marvel’s Art Jam // by Marvel Comics (2014)
Featuring: Iron Man (by Skottie Young), Wasp (by Frank Cho), Hulk (by Ed McGuinness), Captain America (by Ron Garney), Thor (by Michael Golden) & Daredevil (by Jim Cheung)

Marvel’s Art Jam // by Marvel Comics (2014)

Featuring: Iron Man (by Skottie Young), Wasp (by Frank Cho), Hulk (by Ed McGuinness), Captain America (by Ron Garney), Thor (by Michael Golden) & Daredevil (by Jim Cheung)

Rick Remender, Alleged Statutory Rape, and Jet Black

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If your discomfort with the whole Captain America #22 issue is simply the fact that sex had happened between two consenting adults in the presence of alcohol, this isn’t for you. You’re free and completely entitled to hate that and view it with great disdain but my attitude and problem with the fandom is not because of people finding issue with that overused plot device to get two people to finally be comfortable enough to do it but because of people making claims that Jet Black is 14 years old (when she’s not) and thus stating that despite her even saying she’s beyond those years to dare accuse Remender writing a statutory rape scene and faulting Sam Wilson as a rapist. If you had any of these thoughts, this is for you. Before you continue your crusade, please at least let me provide you with some facts.

Let me first introduce you to Jet Black as she was first introduced in the series (Captain America v.7 #1):

That girl right there with that mischievous look is not a baby as many have claimed. She is clearly in her prepubescent years enjoying the treatment her father, Arnim (corrected the spelling because I didn’t realize I put Armin) Zola, is providing the capitalist captain. 

Below is her brother as he was first introduced in the same exact page (Captain America v.7 #1 p.14 — cw: syringe/drill and torture):

Clearly the two siblings are not the same age, right? So why are there false rumors being spread around that Jet is 14? I honestly don’t know unless people believe Ian and Jet are the same person, which is silly, right? Apparently, not

Putting the rest beneath a cut because it gets lengthy because of timeline explanation thus is image heavy.

Here is Steve mentioning to Sharon (the first time he’d done so to a non-Dimension Z resident) that he’s survived years in this strange dimension (Captain America v.7 #9 p.4 — cw: blood):

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Wait what’s this panel got to do with anything? Well, back in issue #1, when Steve saw baby, good guy Steve couldn’t let the child fall into the hands of geneticist Arnim Zola… so he kidnapped him as can be seen in this three page sequence set just after page 14 from #1 above (pgs. 15-17 — cw: blood, torture, syringe/drill).

Zola (and thus his group) have come to the conclusion that Steve had murdered the boy, as seen below: 

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But in actuality Ian had been taken by Steve as found out at the end of the issue (page 21):

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Why am I spending so much time talking about Ian? Because Ian is crucial to build a timeline. He’s the one who’s the easiest to figure out age/time based on how he grows up (even if later on you’ll see that kids and teenagers are drawn almost the same way by the artist). 

Issue #2 begins with the following:

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So you’re going to assume that you’ll see a barely walking Ian, right? Wrong. The artist has a hard time distinguishing children from adults and you’ll see as Ian hits his teen years as this post goes on but until then, here’s Ian one year later (CA v.7 #2 p.3):

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You see how much older Ian is? That’s more because the artist can’t really draw kids in various stages. That’s implied to being a toddler Ian even if it’s been merely a year he’s still very adolescent.

Anyways, Steve had been keeping track of time regardless. He had to, to give his son birthdays and to keep track of the years he’s losing with Sharon and others.

The next issue (#3) begins with a creepy Zola flashback in which he pets his daughter’s face the same way he’d petted one of his first experiments back in 1926. Here’s Jet having aged beyond the original encounter in #1.

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Look at how she’s grown since we’ve first seen her. She’s still so cute.

Seeing how the remainder of the issue is not of importance to this post, let’s begin #4.

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Eleven years later, so it’s been twelve years since Steve had first been abducted by Zola and took Ian. Let’s take a look at how Ian looks now (CA v7 #4 p.3):

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Or look at this from page 5 (issue 4):

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Do you see how Ian is starting too look more like Jet from eleven years ago? Well, let’s take a look at her now (as in current issue p. 19):

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As you can see, the two are at completely different age ranges. As shown at the beginning of the post. The two siblings, although they share the traits of being genetically modified to being perfect by their father, Jet and Ian are from different decades (or at the opposite ends of their shared decade).

Here’s the cover of issue #5:

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Just visually compare the two siblings. Ian, who’s merely still a child at around twelve years old is designed to look like a kid because he still is a kid. While you have Jet who looks like an adult because she’s no longer a child and hasn’t been for quite some time.

Let’s move onto issue #6 where you see the siblings side by side again with a slightly better art this time (#6 p.7 & p.14):

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The age difference is evident and don’t forget so far in Dimension Z twelve years have passed. So how can you tell me that child above plus this young woman is merely 14 years old?

Issue #7 has nothing to do with timeline nor does it give us anything new to use either child as an indicator so I’m skipping that. While issue #8 brings you nothing but heartbreak due to father/son fight and the “death” of said son. So skipping that one as well.

Now let’s take a look back at what Steve told Sharon in issue #9 again:

And you’ve witnessed changes in the children and growth. Even Cap had changed during that decade plus time period. Below is Cap post Dimension Z after having been put through various testing to confirm the timeline of his questionable story (#11 p. 6 — cw: scar/wound):

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So it’s been confirmed thanks to carbon dating (which I honestly didn’t know could be done on non-organic materials but it’s comics and comics logic) tests that had been run due to the story/allegations Steve had made when he and Jet arrived to 616.

Yet here in issue #23 page 10, she mentions an age range for the first time by bringing up a past birthday and finally gives us an age range to work with:

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Yet fandom claims otherwise. That she’s merely 14 years old when we’ve just seen her grow up and so when she says that on her 23rd birthday she’d had cabernet sauvignon on her birthday, I would believe that.

This wasn’t a 2-second age jump from 14 years of age to about 24. No, she was growing as a person since the moment we caught that glimpse of her enjoyment from Steve’s torture/capture. Neither is she lying because time did work different in the dimension. Earlier on (I think issue #2) Steve mentioned that there were two suns, so it’s harder to calculate time more accurately when you’re merely going by sun placement.

For those interested in the alleged rape scene, continue.

The questionable and potentially problematic scene can be found here, where you can read what exactly happened and see it having happened and make judgement. But it’s clearly not statutory rape and however you wish to depict it is your choice entirely because I know that some find the idea of sex and alcohol bothersome. And hey, that’s ok! But, please don’t claim/call someone underage without even checking the facts. She’s told us and for once we have an age, Jet is at least 23 years old. This is fact, we’ve seen a voyage through her life and seen her grow up.

But, with the way her powers work (and the way her brother’s works) I’m pretty sure she wasn’t drunk or intoxicated. She’s got impeccable senses due to her omni senses and she unlike Sam didn’t wake up from a hangover, that much is fact. The rest is up to interpretation.

AMENDMENT: I thought that to give you a better perspective of how the artist only really has three distinguishable age groups, I thought I should provide you with an image of Ian as an adult (but Cap believes he’d died). From issue #10 page 23:

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Ian has remained in Dimension Z due to the fact that Cap has been lead to believe that Sharon’s shot killed him if not the firey liquid he’d fallen into. And as the perfect experiment (and having retrieved some of Cap’s blood for the Super Soldier Serum) thus it’s safe to assume he’s got healing abilities and why he’s not dead in this scene. Ian having remained in Dimension Z had allowed him to grow at the faster rate and why he’s finally at his sister’s age who’s slowed down to the rate of time in 616.

But as all the examples above have shown the artist has only three real age groups (infant, child/teen—which have been depicted as one, and adult) and so claiming that Jet is 14 strictly by a recap and not by context is a cheap move by fandom.

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Danilo, Administrator of Comics Forever take on this:

I got wind of this thing just now and I needed to reblog this just to point out that It bothers me the overly sensitive people that hangs around social networks waiting to get offended by every single fucking thing they see, read or simply don’t get. I stand with Rick Remender on this one and I rather see the people who started this controversy lose their fucking eyeballs than to see him fired from the book. Get a hold of yourself people. Sometime a comic is just a comic. Not your motivation for a fucking senseless agenda.

Captain America // artwork by Teevolt (2014)
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Captain America // artwork by Teevolt (2014)

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The Avengers: Trinity // artwork by Stephen Jorge Segovia and Hitotsumami (2014)
The Avengers: Phase Two // picture by TheCollectionPossession (2014)
Marvel Legends/Marvel Select mash-up for a great picture!

The Avengers: Phase Two // picture by TheCollectionPossession (2014)

Marvel Legends/Marvel Select mash-up for a great picture!

Marvel Studios: Cinematic Universe - Phase Two // gifs by Kane52630 Gifs (2014)